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Aldric · Jun 30, 2009, 07:57 PM // 19:57

I dont PvP much but I have never ever considered using Barage in it. Its just way too inferior to probably half a dozen others.

As for PvE? I find it meh at best. You rarely hit the 6 foes so its a bit of a waste. If i want AoE then Ill take splinter/Volley and a decent elite instead.

Also Poison tip signet is a complete waste of a skill slot on a barrage build. Poison on 1 foe for 8-10 secs? I think you could find a few dozen other skills ,without looking too hard, that would make more sense than that one .

/Unsigned , doesnt need a nerf

GODh · Jun 30, 2009, 08:19 PM // 20:19

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Originally Posted by Helix Dreadlock

Also, I don't want to nerf it at all, just minorly change it.

IMO the skill is fine the way it is. Tbh i dont get your point at all. You dont play pvp, so i assume some barrage pve-enemies are kicking your butt? If so, deal with it...

If not and you dont want to "spam" it then just use it less (just wait a few seconds before using it again)...

/notsigned

Betrayer of Wind · Jun 30, 2009, 09:02 PM // 21:02

Barrage is fine the way it is,it only deals high dmg if:
1.you have a tank
2.lots of buffs

if any of those conditions fail,barrage sux big time and you're limited to not using preparations,so whats ur point of nerfing a completely balanced skill?

spirit of defeat · Jul 02, 2009, 11:28 AM // 11:28

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Originally Posted by Helix Dreadlock

Exactly, so why not change it, if it didn't matter?

By that logic we can change 50% of the skills :S

Scary · Jul 02, 2009, 11:54 AM // 11:54

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Originally Posted by Helix Dreadlock

Now, I've been thinking...Barrage needs a minor nerf. Not a major one, but enough to reduce the recharge time.

Nothing that affects damage in a big way, just make the recharge 4 or 5 seconds. I understand it's elite, but it's over-powered. 5 energy, 1 recharge, and hits 6 adjacent foes for +17 damage (on top of bow damage, conjures, weapon spells, vamp mods, ect). I know it does remove preperations...big woop. You can still use poison tip signet and the above listed add-ons. So, all I purpose (pardon spelling) is to make the recharge 5 instead of 1.

If it gets interrupted, it doesn't do anything, and it's the biggest used marksmanship skill for almost any NPC, and humans too. I know some may say "fine as is" but it's also very annoying trying to use it at 33% IAS and it cancels (spelling again) out the current auto-attack, thus making it wait a bit more. If you make it 5 seconds, I believe it will remove that frustration, (minor, but still annoying). I know it isn't a major problem, but they could just throw it in at the last minute after all the big stuff has been fixed.

Thoughts/ideas?

Bottom line: I don't want to kill it, or hurt it, just make the recharge 5 seconds, thus not giving it the uber-elite aura.

Ooooooooo Myyyyy...

I was more thinking of make it a 100% chance triple headshot

Redvex · Jul 02, 2009, 12:01 PM // 12:01

new barrage.
Don't Remove preparation
Remove Weapon Spells and Enchantment

MetalMan · Jul 02, 2009, 12:17 PM // 12:17

PvE - Theres more overpowered things to worry about than Barrage, a skill that is pretty well balanced.

PvP - Barrage is bad.

/thread?

Div · Jul 03, 2009, 05:25 PM // 17:25

OP clearly is a PvPer. Only PvP people come here and believe they can make such unreasonable demands to nerf our favorite PvE skills.

Can we stop nerfing my poor PvE skills just because people from HA or GvG can't learn to counter builds like barrage?

dusanyu · Jul 03, 2009, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

OP clearly is a PvPer. Only PvP people come here and believe they can make such unreasonable demands to nerf our favorite PvE skills.

Can we stop nerfing my poor PvE skills just because people from HA or GvG can't learn to counter builds like barrage?

Barrage is never seen on PvP because it is horrible in PvP (you never see mig Masses of People Clumped in PvP) as a result skills tat target a Single target and has a Strong effect on that target like burning arrow and Melshot outshine Barrage

lrn to troll better

Barrage is Fine works well in PvE and Gives us a reason to laugh when we see it being used in PvP

Short · Jul 03, 2009, 08:19 PM // 20:19

Are you an idiot? Barrage is the only way for a ranger to be useful in any high-end pve and they're in next to none of that. /notsigned.

Mad Lord of Milk · Jul 03, 2009, 11:49 PM // 23:49

Dude, leave Barrage as is. 5 Second Recharge for a An elite skill to do +15 dmg to adj foes? Come on. It's not overpowered or underpowered, it's fine the way it is as a PvE tool.

xDusT II · Jul 04, 2009, 02:58 PM // 14:58

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Originally Posted by dusanyu

lrn to troll better

Considering you just ate his bait....

EinherjarMx · Jul 06, 2009, 02:36 PM // 14:36

yeah nerf it, make it like
10e 2s 8r, you shoot 6 arrows, for each foe you hit you deal 50%...15% less damage.

there, i fixeded it =)

I think is well balanced now whatcha think?

in all seriousness, nerfing barrage is just plain stupid, if anything it needs a buff. Unless you only use tank and spank, theres no way you can hit 6 foes all the time.

/notsigned

Stranger The Ranger · Jul 06, 2009, 02:45 PM // 14:45

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Originally Posted by Short

Barrage is the only way for a ranger to be useful in any high-end pve and they're in next to none of that.

lol

/notsigned btw, Barrage is an overrated piece of crap to me... but just keep it the way it is

Unreal Havoc · Jul 06, 2009, 05:12 PM // 17:12

I am so glad this guy isn't in charge of skill balance.

/notsigned

Ankas · Jul 07, 2009, 12:40 AM // 00:40

Wow how dumb can a person be. Ranger already is nerfed in PvP as is only thing they r used for is intrupring witch mesmers can do lot better job of and some snaring. R spike is the only build that rangers can truly shine in. Any way shill is 2 sec recharge not 1. Skill is blockable,Evadable, and obstractable. Blind condition also afected by it. Poisen tip sig only affects 1 arrow out of 6 form barge if u have balled up enemys. I dont know what u have against rangers or barge but only place ive actualy seen it being used in pvp id jade quary on altars and taks ALOT MORE then 1 hit to kill anything unlike RoJ or Ne/A. IF anything needs a nerf its Shadow Form. I honesly think Nerfing Read The Wind in PvP is dumb like i said ranger already has tough times interupting 3/4 spells or eaven 1 sec spells if ur far enough. due to flight arow and 1/4 activation time. Ur the reason I prefer playing with Heros and not noobs like you that do not understand how skills work what so ever. I am shore ur the person that uses Restfull Breze on HB monk hero.

Reverend Dr · Jul 07, 2009, 02:45 AM // 02:45

^^ I have no idea what you attempted to say.

Barrage is terrible in PvP and PvE. For some reason people are hung up on the idea of push button, deal damage. Not every class works that way. But because the ranger has a bow, it must push button and deal damage. Yes, barrage is the "best" way to push the same button over and over to try to DPS, but there are far better ways to actually rip apart enemy mobs than hitting that one button over and over.

Wish Swiftdeath · Jul 07, 2009, 03:17 AM // 03:17

I reckon this should get a buff in PvE.

Preparations not removed and unblockable?

Before you respond: Shadowform

Marverick · Jul 07, 2009, 03:32 AM // 03:32

Barrage: Skill. For 5...17..20 seconds, you attack 500% faster and your arrows strike all foes in the area of your target.

^^ That would be better

Regulus X · Jul 07, 2009, 03:41 AM // 03:41

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Originally Posted by Marverick

Barrage: Skill. For 5...17..20 seconds, you attack 500% faster and your arrows strike all foes in the area of your target.

^^ That would be better

LOL @ Diablo 2 Mechanic.